LimmudNY 09, an Avoidable Disaster

Events, Lily's notes

The Limmud conference was a disaster. No heat in the bedrooms, freezing cold conference rooms..water pouring from a lobby ceiling into a garbage cans, fire alarms going off on Saturday morning..people had to attend sessions in their coats, hats , gloves and scarves. The steering committee knew that there was a heating problem and assured attendees on Friday that the problem was fixed and that the conference would not be cancelled.

Many people were quite smart and didn’t bother to go up to the Nevele Grande. Those that arrived on Thursday were sent to a nearby resort but friends told us that the place where they were sent had no heat either, so they made their own private arrangements and stayed 20 minutes away from the conference.

We spend a completely sleepless frozen Friday night and along with about 1/3 of the attendees, at 12:30 am Friday someone using a master key, opened our door without even knocking (!) and asked if we had any room for more people, up to 5 people were sharing rooms.

We fled back home to New York City on Saturday. The conference had to supply a bus (maybe buses?) to bring home some of the attendees that wanted to flee the awful conditions at the Nevele.

When we returned to NYC Sat evening by car and we took home a friend that swore he would have nothing to do with Limmud again.**[please see follow up note below]

He said that the organisers did not consider the safety and health of the participants. We felt very responsible for encouraging him and others to attend.

I ended up quite sick with fever, cough and chills, I am writing this today because it is the first day that I feel a bit better and can sit up and write.

Limmud knew that there was a heating problem, they almost cancelled the conference and then sent out emails and a website notice that all was well and the conference was on after all. This was a terrible (perhaps cynical) action. There were hundreds of cold people.

An elderly woman sat with us at Saturday lunch and  said that she would have nothing more to do with Limmud and hoped to go home as soon as possible. So sad after all of the planning and hopes for a good conference.
  
They should have cancelled the conference for safety and health reasons. There were infants, the elderly, and many who could not take these unexpected severe conditions.

The LimmudNY website has a lovely thank you letter for a great conference from a presenter, and nice photos of smiling people, many bundled up in their outdoor clothing although they are indoors.

The Steering Committee worked hard to cope with the problems but it was all beyond their most decent efforts. We understand that when they had a lot less people attending and they could consolidate rooms and presentations spaces, that the conditions improved somewhat.

This was all such a  deep disappointment.

We asked if there would be any refunds of the fees but have not yet received the courtesy of a response.

Please click the comments button below and read these insightful comments from readers and join the conversation…and a follow up note: just learned that two more friends became sick after returning from the weekend.

Sad News -Follow up note: The friend mentioned above, who begged us to take him home in our car after suffering the severe cold for an entire evening, died suddenly 4 months after the LimmudNY 09 conference.

I have no idea if this experience had any effect on my friend’s health but it does underline the fact that leadership must take the health and welfare of participants very, very seriously because it is impossible to know  the health status of all involved.

This must take precedence over financial considerations.

3 Comments

3 Comments

  1. NYCGuy  •  Jan 21, 2009 @11:18 pm

    It’s distressing to learn that this British import that was immediately popular, has taken a perhaps terminal turn for the worse in of all places, New York. It’s sad that a once famous Catskill resort – albeit, it’s heyday ended 3-1/2 decades ago – reaches its nadir in this Limmud slide. .

    On the upside, the 18th annual NY Jewish Film Festival has a week to go & there are still some tickets. It’s too late to see “Emotional Arithmetic,” a unique story of three Holocaust survivors set in Quebec’s Eastern Townships. Susan Sarandon is a gift to American cinema & when Max von Sydow appears, its heard not to think of Ingmar Bergman. They are part of a faultless ensemble performance that fortuitously is available on DVD.

    Also passed are the delightful, Berlin comedy, “Max Minsky and Me;” the uplifting doc of a blinded boy who learns to sail, “Facing the Wind” and the stark investigation into Argentina’s dark junta years, “Our Disappeared.” This last one will be broadcast May 29 on PBS’ Independent Lens series.

  2. midwestmoma  •  Jan 22, 2009 @2:31 pm

    It seems to me that there is a violation of a classic Jewish principle here- not to intentionally defraud. Those who paid for a conference and accomodations had the reasonable legal and moral expectation that they would be able to enjoy what they paid for without undue stress. They were clearly promised double rooms, not having strangers imposed on them. There is also a reasonable expectation of environment which was clearly not provided here. This does not even begin to take into account how dangerous the conditions were for people with disabilities and compromised immune systems. There is also an implied expectation with precedent of a reasonable environment in which to learn.
    If Limmud is a fund-raising organization, the question must be asked: raising funds for what? I would strongly suggest that if refunds are not made for those who requested them that the NY State attorney general step in and, at the least, look at this incident in lilght of a continuance of their 501C3 status.

  3. Akiva  •  Feb 1, 2009 @4:47 pm

    In all fairness, I think the comment about “intention to defraud” is misplaced. The *Nevele* was awful, unresponsive, and I will not be going back there again for any reason.

    The Limmud team did the best they could with the hand they were dealt (I am not associated with Limmud, I’m just an attendee.) Buses were provided for those who wanted to leave. The conference that went on was cold, but wonderful. The spirit that has been such a joy at previous Limmud events was there.

    There are two aspects to the event, and one can make their decision as to which to focus on. I’m choosing the positive. I have no doubt that some people had an awful time. My young daughter, pregnant wife, and I can’t wait for Limmud 2010 as long as it’s in a different venue.